Wednesday, August 1, 2012

C'mon Sheeple! Light up another Camel!


So I had a horrible experience today with a Dr.
We took Adam in for his 2 year well visit so that if he ever needed a DR for a sick visit we could take him in. We selectively vaccinate and haven't done any since he was 2 months old.
The student Dr is the one who did the actual check up. He took a history and kept commenting on how advanced Adam was, he was surprised that we were still breastfeeding but didn't seem turned off by it. More curious then anything. Was happy to hear Adam was still RF. Then he asked about vaccines and asked if he was up to date. That's when I explained that no he wasn't and we weren't doing anymore until we further researched it.
He finished up and said Adam was very healthy and everything was good and he just had to have his boss sign off on the chart and we would be out of there.
We waited 30 mins and the student dr and the pediatrician finally walk in the exam room and the ped doesn't even look at me or speak to me. Instead they go to his chart and are talking back and forth and the student dr is nodding and writing things down. Thats when the ped turns to me and asks "has he had any vaccinations at all?" I responded "he's had a few at birth but none since" He turns back to the student and tells him something and he writes it down. Then the student dr tried to take my son from my arms, and as he was reaching for him the ped tells me "your son will be receiving 14 vaccinations today, Mrs. Ramsey." 
Yes, you read that correctly FOURTEEN in ONE day.
 I instinctively pull my son back to me and tell him no, we do not want any vaccines. The ped goes on to tell me that everything i've read online about autism isn't true. I respond that's not why we aren't vaccinating. He says to me "you are going to kill your son. You don't want to be responsible for killing this little boy do you Mrs. Ramsey?" Before I could repsond he nods to the student dr, and who steps forward to try to take Adam out of my arms AGAIN. I pull back and am backed literally into a corner at this point and shaking. The ped goes on about how I am not thinking of the best interest of my child and how I'm going to kill him and that he WILL be getting the vaccines today and more every month until he is up to date in full.  His voice is beginning to raise by now and the look on his face stern. "this is for the best Mrs Ramsey so be compliant." he says to me as for a 3rd time the student dr tries to take Adam from my arms, this time a little more assertively. The student dr looked as white as a sheet but like he was doing what he HAD to do because of what his boss was telling him. He looked young enough to be wet behind the ears.
 I'm standing in a corner, in a room the size of a box with these 2 men trying to take my child and vaccinate him against my will. I hold onto Adam as the student dr is trying to take him from my arms and Adam begins to cry and cling to me. I'm shaking, I'm afraid and Adam can sense this. I put both arms around Adam and bring his head towards my bosom to protect him and I pull bravery from somewhere.
"He will NOT be vaccinated. You will NOT be putting poison in my son." I stammered, shaking like a leaf but I held strong.
The ped GLARED at me. "Well," he says clearly irritated." If you aren't going to comply, then you leave me no choice. Not only will you not be allowed back at this clinic but I will be reporting you to child protective services. You are endangering your child."
I didn't wait for him to say anything more, I pushed past them and walked out. As I'm walking down the hall as fast as possible, with Adam screaming scared to death and me shaking like mad, he hollers after he "You're going to be sorry for letting Google be your doctor!!!"
I walked faster and got out of there as fast as I could.


Not once did this dr ask me WHY we weren't vaccinating. Whether it be medical reason, religious belief, personal belief.. he never bothered to even ask. Not once did I say I did my research "online" or with "google" as he insinuated. He in fact HE  treated me as some insubordinate, uneducated, ignorant, abusive parent.
They tried THREE times to remove MY child from MY arms AFTER I told them NO. They were willing to vaccinate my child AGAINST my will, my beliefs, or.. wait a minute... they didn't even KNOW what they were going against because once again they never bothered to ask me WHY I don't vaccinate.
Last but not least they were going to give him FOURTEEN vaccinations in his tiny 24lb body at ONCE.

THIS is what they call medical professionals??! THIS is how you are treated for not being a sheeple and shuffling along quietly as the rest of the community? THIS is how you are treated for putting a DR, a mere mortal as you with a diploma, in his place and not on a pedestal as a God or superior.

How can one man think so highly of themselves to assume they know what is better for a child than their own mother? When they have known the child for no more than five minutes, the child's medical history is crystal clear and he is thriving. The child, obviously well taken care of, healthy, clean, free of bruises or signs of abuse. Advanced for his age, happy and well rounded. This child that I have nursed since birth, who I would fight for until the death. Who doesn't eat Mc Donalds because I'm conscience of what I put in his body. Who rides rear facing because I'm aware of the dangers of vehicular collisions. Which by the way the odds of happening FAR surpass the odds of dying from an illness from being unvaccinated.
This if further cements my belief that the medical community is no more than a business out to make a buck. Most drs no longer care about their patients and instead see them as a chart number, a dollar sign, a science experiment. They do NOT have our children’s or our best interest at heart like they claim. The oath that they swore on evaporates into the wind as their heads swell with arrogance. I hold firm to the belief that I am doing what is best for my child.
It is OKAY to not be sure about something. To be cautious in making the right choice for your child. This doesn’t make you a bad, or unfit parent. It is OKAY to research on your own, to be knowledgeable, and to tell Drs NO.  They are human just as us, they make mistakes, they call it practice for a reason. Beyond that it is your LEGAL right to not vaccinate your child. Your freedom as an America citizen. I leave you with an add from your physician.



Need I say more?

81 comments:

  1. OMG!!! I would contact the paper, and the news, and magazines. THAT IS CRAZY!!! That is a story that is something every parent should hear about. You are definitely not the first or the last person to have this happen to you. That doctor needs to be reported for trying to take YOUR CHILD from you against your will and perform a medical procedure on him against your right to refuse. AND THAT IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE!

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  2. from Christina's Friend, Lacynda Biggers:

    Alisha, I am so sorry that you had to face this ordeal. Unfortunately, you are not the first, and you will certainly not be the last. People are afraid to speak up against doctors. But this is a story worth hearing. I urge you, strongly, to write your ordeal in as brief, but powerful, description as possible, and submit it to every television ntework news station that you can contact. I also urge you to write your story to magazines that will be sympathetic to mothers having their children ripped from their hands, and ask them to publish it. Also, you need to get your story into the hands of the Jasper local newspaper, and also the Evansville Courier and Press. The local news stations won't give heed to this, because they value local businesses too much... especially the support of a local doctor's office. However, nationally, your story needs to be known. More mothers (and fathers) need to know that they are not the only ones mustering the courage to valiantly walk out of presence of an all-mighty doctor and stand strong for what they believe in. And those that have never made the stand, need to know that they can! Please, take me seriously, get your story out to more than just the eye that reads this blog - make your moment of horror count, and use it to help many others!!!

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  3. WOW I stumbled across this through a friend on FB and I am so glad I did - HIGH FIVES and KUDOS to you lady! You ROCK bigtime. You stood up to those greedy, brainwashed good for nothings. I am so sorry you and your son had to live through that. I am wondering if I will encounter the same reaction when I go to the pediatrician for the first time with my newly adopted 12 year old daughter from China. Who knows what they will try to drum into me. xxxx

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  4. oh wow. contact the paper, the news anyone you can and get that doctor fired or something. that is just not ok at all!

    it is NOT ok for a doctor to bully like that. i know many doctors personally that would be appalled and ashamed of this man treating you like that.

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    1. Unfortunately the papers and news will not cover this type of story. I have contacted all local tv and papers to do a story on my flu vaccine injury. Confirmed by the vaccine court who conceded my case and settled with me. No takers at all. Even when my story is in the book Vaccine Epidemic. Mainstream media makes too much revenue from pharmaceutical advertising.

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  5. OMG. That is the scariest thing I have ever heard. I was shouting in my head "call 911" while I was reading. I cannot believe that the dr acted that way. It proves what a wonderful mom you are that you stood your ground and didn't do what the dr wanted just because he is a dr. You need to do all that you can for that dr's practice to be shut down. There's no telling how many innocent children he has done the same thing too. 14 vaccines in one day?!? Any half way intelligent person has to know that's not good.

    I don't vac my son and he doesn't have a ped. Whenever he gets sick I take him to a minor emergency place. They ask if he is up to date on his vacs and I say yes, they treat him and we go home. It's just easier that way.

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  6. I pinned it on pinterest and fb so the wrongness can be known throughout the land!!

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  7. I would suggest contacting your state medical board. Even without the issue of the immunizations, the fact that he threatened you is a violation of his license of practice. He should at the very least face a hearing for actions like that.

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  8. Please tell me you reported them both!

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  9. MY GOD! I am SO sorry that you and your son were treated this way. This is one of the most outrageous things I've ever heard and I will be personally be writing this office to address that doctor. I am disgusted for you and all the other parent's out there that have gotten this sort of treatment. The madness must end.

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  10. Thank you for being brave and for sharing your story. I am so sorry for the trauma you endured. This is absolutely frightening. Please go to the press with your story! This is definitely something that needs to be heard.

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  11. Please report this ass to the his licensing board and to the police. Touching your child without your consent is assult.

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  12. Keep telling your story!! Thank you for protecting your son. I am so sorry you both were put through that.

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  13. Oh My! How scary,you need to report him as soon as possible, this is horrible.I am so, so very sorry this happened to you.

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  14. Report, report, report. How scary for you and your son!! I'm so sorry momma!

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  15. I was absolutely shocked to read about the behavior of this doctor. I advise you to avoid taking your child to a doctor again unless it's a life-threatening emergency. I greatly admire your courage in standing up to the doctor--if only all mothers would follow their maternal instinct to protect their child from harm--just as an animal will fight to protect its young. Treating a mother this way is without doubt a violation of basic human rights and unconstitutional! Forcefully vaccinating a child is an assault on the child; it's no wonder that children cry when they receive a shot. It is similar to rape, except that it is worse, because harmful substances are injected directly into the child's body.
    It would be excusable if there were an epidemic of a deadly disease such as ebola, and if there were an effective and safe vaccination against the disease. But this is not the case.

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    1. I agree that vaccination is a parent's choice and nobody should force the parent. However, I am confused by your saying that getting vaccinated "is similar to rape, except that it's worse, because harmful substances are injected directly into the child's body." So, as a parent who chose to vaccinate my child, are you saying that I permitted someone to perform and act worse than rape? And to a woman who contracted HIV or Hepatitis C or Herpes or any other STD or became pregnant with an unwanted child as a result of rape, would you not say something harmful was injected into her body against her will in a way that was more traumatic and humiliating and painful than a vaccination? I agree that the event reported above was wrong, however, I don't agree with your statements.

      Did you know that there actually is an epidemic in Washington state that is killing babies? It's called Pertussis.

      http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6128a1.htm

      http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/healthy_kids/164434126.html

      http://kfor.com/2012/07/16/oklahoma-infant-fighting-whooping-cough-defeating-the-odds/

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    2. the majority of people with pertussis in WA were fully vaccinated. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/whooping-cough-vaccine-effective-early-form-study-finds/story?id=16898211

      the shot is not working

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    3. My husband works in a hospital in Washington and I can tell you he has been exposed to whooping cough at least 5 times in the last 13 years. How do I know it was 13 years? Because we found out about his first exposure just as I was about to give birth to our daughter. He been exposed to whooping cough while treating a patient. He did not get to hold our daughter or even be in the room with her until he had completed a very powerful round of antibiotics.

      I don't recall anyone every saying that vaccines give you life long immunity. Babies and young children are the most at risk of whooping cough. An adult can have it and barely even be sick. I'm not a big fan of all of the vaccines they have out now and have chosen not to give my kids some of them, however, I also think common sense should also come into play when making these decisions and to say ALL vaccines are bad is an overreaction.

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  16. I'm in Indiana too. I really don't think the doctors give two craps about your feelings. I also don't think they are as up to date as some doctors are. Hugs to you momma!

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  17. We vaccinate our kids, because that is what I feel is right for our family. HOWEVER, this is absolutely appalling! He certainly needs to be reported. Please find your state's medical licensing board and let them know about this. Perhaps you could ask around to see if there is a non-vax-friendly pediatrician in your area?

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  18. I've googled this doctor and cannot find him. Can you either post or email me his info so I can go on the dr rating websites and give him NO STARS for you? I think people need to know what he's done. That is just ridiculous. It makes me happy that I have a great pediatrician!

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  19. I am SO sorry you had to go through that. I've had all sorts of bad dr. experiences with my own health, so I can sympathize. More than ever we have to be aware, conscious of dangers as well as potential benefits, and willing to fight when necessary for those we love as well as ourselves. GOOD FOR YOU to take Adam and leave. They do not have the right to force you to do it their way -- that only happens when we comply. And...as a little aside, had I complied with all the treatment being forced at me for what turned out to be misdiagnoses on multiple occasions, I probably would not be here at all. Good for you that you stood up for your son and for your rights as a parent.

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  20. Wow, that is really terrible. I would look into finding some naturally minded moms in your area and see who they take thier kids to. Like LLL, a doula, ICAN etc. Woman in those groups usually are in the know. I'm sorry that happened to you!

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  21. I would report this doctor to the police for harassment and assault. I would also lodge a written complaint to the medical centre administration about his unprofessional and disrespectful conduct. I wouldn't make it a personal issue because this doctor is obviously not of a sane state of mind, but just to protect others as he is clearly a public menace and shouldn't even be practicing medicine until he gets himself sorted out.

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  22. I hope you report him the the state medical board and file a complaint against him with your insurance company since he tried to take your child out of your arms.

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  23. I too have shared on my mom groups and on my timeline. PLEASE report this horrible excuse for a "Doctor" Good for you for standing your ground in such a terrifying environment!

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  24. Why is that obnoxious?? It's a pretty valid point. This STORY smells funny....js

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  27. Would like to report, but can't find the doctor anywhere

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  28. I am another mom from crunchowlmamas area. We used to take our kids to Jasper Pediatrics until our Pediatrician Dr kreilein moved to another city. We then switched to a family dr in another office. Jasper pediatrics just hired Dr Mcintosh and he is not on the website or phone info yet.

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  29. I'm sorry I made a mistake, it's Doctor MacInTIRE. We've been to him as well. You can call Jasper Pediatrics at (812)482-7918 and ask if he exists if need be. He gave my 2 year old an antibiotic that is in the same family of the one that he is extremely allergic to for a slight sinus infection. Right after he asked me which one he was allergic to and what his reaction to it was. The CVS pharmacy had Damon's records "tagged" so that they knew not to give him a medicine that he is allergic to and I found out from the pharmacy that I shouldn't have had it called in for him.

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  30. Well, you are putting your son in danger, and if Google isn't where you found some other idiot to recommend you let him get every deadly disease known to man, then who exactly fed you this "poison" crap?

    Individual doctors can be wrong, and this one certainly sounds obnoxious, but your hippy-dippy gut feeling is about .05% as valid as actual medical experiments, sorry.

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    1. Actually, more and more Dr's today are saying Vaccinations arent as necessary anymore. In fact I know 3 in our town (which isnt that large) that are fine with no vaxing. So before you go telling people we are putting kids in danger maybe you should do some more research about what exactly is in vaccinations.

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    2. Interesting. I vaccinated my kids, but I too believe it's a personal choice. I have not heard of any dr's saying they aren't necessary. There is currently an epidemic of pertussis in a few states, with Oklahoma being the newest state starting to see it. That's really bad news if an infant gets it, as young babies who get it often die. Here is a link to a news story about a recent death:

      http://kfor.com/2012/07/16/oklahoma-infant-fighting-whooping-cough-defeating-the-odds/

      "Herd immunity" is what happens when most people do choose to vaccinate. It's what protects those who aren't vaccinated from the horrible diseases that kill. If more and more people choose not to vaccinate, then there won't be much herd immunity, and there will be more and more instances of these horrible diseases. I do support a parent's choice to choose, but I think parents should research this from legitimate websites with accurate information. They should be aware of the risks of vaccination as well as the risks of not vaccinating. For most of us, the risks of not vaccinating are greater. For a few with certain medical conditions, the risks of vaccinating are. Do your research well, make your decision, and find a doctor who will support that.

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    3. Mounting Evidence Shows Many Vaccines are Ineffective and Contribute to Rise of Outbreaks Caused by Mutated Viruses

      July 30 2012

      Recent research shows outbreaks of whooping cough (pertussis) are actually related to the pertussis vaccine itself. Eighty-one percent of 2010 California whooping cough cases in children under 18 occurred in those fully up to date on the whooping cough vaccine. Only eight percent of those stricken were unvaccinated. According to the authors, attack rates markedly increased three years after receiving the vaccine
      DTaP vaccine effectiveness was only 41 percent among 2- to 7-year-olds and a dismal 24 percent among those aged 8-12
      “Cocooning” vaccines does not work, a Canadian study shows. In order to prevent ONE infant death, at least one million parents and adult caregivers must be vaccinated
      The US varicella vaccination program has been shown to have dramatically increased rates of shingles, while also failing to provide long-term protection from chicken pox. Researchers also concluded the vaccine is less effective than the natural immunity that existed in the general population before the vaccine

      http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/30/whooping-cough-vaccine.aspx?e_cid=20120730_DNL_artNew_1

      Vaccines actually have zero effectiveness. What happens to vaccinated children is that the poisons they are injected with mess up the immune system so badly that the organism is no longer able to mount a normal and healthy immune response in the form of a fever (and in the case of measles, rubella and chickenpox, a rash). This absence of disease symptoms (which is actually an absence of immune response) is then touted as evidence that the child is "immunised". It is a massive and very dangerous fraud.

      "Vaccines contain substances which are so noxious that they should not ever be injected into a human body."
      Dr Viera Scheibner PhD, Australia

      "Belief in immunization is a form of delusional insanity."
      Dr Herbert Shelton, USA

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  32. Brodine, how terribly offensive. Clearly you disagree with CrunchyOwlMama's decision regarding vaccinations. Wondering if you'd be that jerky to medical professionals who agree with her. There are many. I'd also be interested to know how long you've been researching vaccines and I would love to see a list of your go to resources in support of vaccines that you refer to when discussing this subject. Would you like to see mine? :) I have plenty and I'll betcha most of the moms posting here do as well. Mine didn't come from Google. If you don't want to see mine...well, that would be pretty revealing as to whether or not you care to look into BOTH sides of vaccines or just the one side. In which case, you don't really have anything valid to offer as far as whether or not she has put her child in danger. (edited to spell Brodine's name correctly)

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    1. I would absolutely be that jerky to medical professionals who agree with her. Not all vaccines work on all children all the time. For herd immunity to work, everybody has to get vaccinated. When you do not vaccinate your child because of some stupid shit you read on the internet, you put my child at risk.

      Finally, I am aware that a small number of medical professionals agree with her. But if the vast majority of doctors believe one thing and a tiny minority believe another, what does this really tell us? We can pick and choose papers from the relatively small number of doctors who agree with us, assume that we know more about medicine than the entire medical establishment, and choose these articles which most other doctors reject as some sort of "proof" of our bad parenting, or we can make the choice that does not put all babies in the US at risk of an epidemic of deadly disease.

      I don't really feel the need to look into BOTH sides of every controversy when one is so obviously wrong and stupid. I mean, do you really feel the need to look at BOTH sides of the Chick-Fil-A controversy and argue with a bunch of mouthbreathers over whether or not gay people deserve human rights? Duh, they do. Anybody who argues otherwise is an idiot being held back by superstition.

      Sometimes one side is just so painfully wrong there's no point in this sort of false neutrality. Sometimes there are not two sides to a story, just one correct side and a bunch of crazy people on the internet who are killing all of our kids.

      But sure, send me your research. :-)

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    2. Brodine Kayla... you are officially my new favorite person on the internet. :D

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    3. News flash herd immunity doesn't work. Did you really compare medicine to human rights? Did you know more children die from vaccine reactions than from the diseases they are supposed to prevent? I would also strongly question how mankind managed for so many thousands of years before vaccines.

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  33. I would report him to your state medical board. Kudos for standing your ground until your research is complete.

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  34. So sad to hear of things like this. I vaccinated my kids but truly believe in every parents right to make that choice. I have to say that the ads at the end do not bring credit to your cause. One has nothing to do with the other and are old and outdated. Oh. maybe that was the point. IDK , that part was lost on me. anyway, I agree that you most certainly should report his behavior to not only his group but the police, AMA and any and all types of media you can. FB is great and it's getting out there but more should be done. do not let this slide.

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    2. The ads were meant to be old and outdated. The point I was making is that 50 years ago Drs recommended cigarettes. Now not a single one would. Who is to say that 50 years from now they all won't be saying vaccines are bad after all.. our bad.
      know what I mean?

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    3. CrunchyOwlMama, just because medical scientists were wrong about something once does not mean we have to never use medical science again. There are all sorts of upsides to your naturalism kick, like co-sleeping and breastfeeding. I'm a strong advocate for that stuff too. But you know what? If my daughter gets pneumonia, I'm not going to throw up my hands, say "No medicine! Doctors have been wrong before!" and slap some leeches on her chest because I'm not a complete simpleton and I do believe in making the best decisions I can with the information available.

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    4. (Having her child at the Peds for a yearly is being a proactive parent and in no way means she is anti-medicine.)

      Brodine- Where to begin- I have a brother like you, a PA, who also uses this condescending tone when he sees a person he thinks is beneath him and is making all the WRONG decisions or choices?

      Do you have children?
      Do you follow this blog?
      Why on earth would you respond here?
      Do you have an altruistic motivation for responding to this blog post?

      See, my brother gets paid to find things like this on the internet and respond to them.. to put down Alternative Health methods, attachment parenting, delayed or selective vaccines, etc.. he has no kids, no job history outside hospital ones while in school- and he is 24, making comments like this on the internet while also writing for medical journals.

      Not all parents Google to diagnose their children. Some parents (like me) take college classes, community classes, attend lectures, read books, get certified, adjust our lifestyles and nutrition.

      I hope karma doesn't bite you in the ass big time one day. I hope above all hopes, just like I do for my brother that you don't have a child who you damage or a Dr. who doesn't 'allow' you to be a voice in your child's medical decisions.

      I hope to God everything you do is Right and that you never have to make hard choices that are not popular for the sake of your children. <---- that's the harsh reality of being a parent.

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  35. you seriously need to report this doctor!!! he attempted to KIDNAP your son and assulted him by touching him without your permission!!! im still shaking my head and cant believe he did this to you, you could get him in serious trouble.

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  36. This pediatrician needs to be reported to your state board...PERIOD. His behavior was brutish and downright unacceptable. PLEASE take the time to file a complaint against this physician; you will be providing a service to others who may experience the same type of behavior. His behavior I would not consider to be normal behavior, EVEN for a pediatrician who is adamantly pro-vaccine. His behavior was irresponsible and over the top.

    Also, please look into the National Vaccine Information Center's website for state exemption laws in Indiana. Here is the link: http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/indiana.aspx

    Our son is now 19 years old and believe me, we've gone through the ringer with this issue as well - AFTER our son's horrific vaccine reactions at the age of four months. But I've found that when you stand up to these pediatric bullies, THEY BACK OFF. You simply have to hold your ground. Better yet, quit seeing pediatricians! You honestly do not need to use a pediatrician for your children's healthcare needs. There are many other physicians who are just as qualified, i.e., D.O. (osteopaths), homeopaths, naturopaths, etc. Boycott pediatricians! They just aren't worth going through all this hassle.

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  37. So one giant missing piece of information from this piece.... Why exactly didn't you want your kid vaccinated? You mentioned several times that you never did say why to the doctor.. and your entire last portion of the article attacked the doctor for not asking why, but then you never filled in the blank. You attack the doctor for saying that you have no real reason, but then you never offer any rebuttal against the doctors' argument. Was the doctor right? Did you simply hear that vaccinations were bad on the internet somewhere? Is there some deeply rooted religious reason?

    You can't just attack a Doctor (who has years and years of training and a ton of scientific evidence on his side) for questioning your reasoning... and then not tell us your reasoning. All you are doing here is leading the reader to believe that the doctor is completely right, and that you have some ridiculous internet paranoia, or you listen to right wing radio too much.

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    1. Oh wow, Adam, you are my favorite person on the internet. I hadn't even picked up on her never explaining her reasoning because I was stuck on the following two points:
      1. CrunchyOwlMama's son is 2. It is time to shit or get off the pot. Immunize or admit you don't plan to. Saying you are still deciding comes off as a disingenuous way to avoid criticism. If you yell about poison when a doctor tries to immunize your son, you obviously have made up your mind. Own your crazy.
      2. Where exactly are you getting this information if not Google? Are you embarrassed to admit you use Yahoo? Are you a close friend of Jenny McCarthy? Tell me which peer-reviewed journal helped you decide vaccines are poison.

      I just really hope the poor doc doesn't get in trouble for trying to rescue CrunchyOwlMama's son. I wonder if asking people from science-friendly websites to call in their support would help.

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    2. Brodine-

      Two things:

      1. I need you to post here some peer reviewed studies of the safety of vaccines. Maybe even one where they have studied the vaccines given at 2,4,& 6 months there are 7-8 of them) for contraindications with each other. (make sure you don't use the ones from Merck b/c well... they are being sued right now for making up their info on the Mumps portion of their MMR vaccines since the 1960s, sued by the researching dr.s who they asked to fake the 'new' clinical - but you can read all that on the Wall Street Journal.

      2. We hire Doctors to provide individualized care for ourselves and our children. No where in that agreement to treat do we ever have an understanding that we will have our children taken fro our arms or that we can be held down and given medications, drugs, or injections against our will.

      No where in her statement did the supervising Ped ask anything about her child. Just escalating admonishments based on an intake survey from a med student/intern. Did not ask about previous vaccine history, medicine/food allergies, any previous vaccine reactions (possible reason for stopping vaccine schedule)... which should have been some of the first questions this Ped would have needed to ask upon meeting Mom and baby for the first time. And yet you have the audacity to berate the Mom and wonder about the 'poor' doctor.

      Funny thing about those "science friendly" websites; normally funded or written by those who work at drug companies, and have a monetary gain for putting down homeopathic/natural alternatives, questioning your doctor or questioning the safety of the medication (ie: vaccines).

      Interesting note about websites questioning the safety of vaccines; normally run or written by parents who DID vaccinate and now have a disabled child from the vaccine incident. But they don't get any help for their disabled child, because the drug companies cleverly lobbied for protect in the mid 1980s and got it.

      If you don't see something wrong with HAVING to get vaccines by MANDATE and then cannot get help to care for your injured child, there is something wrong.

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    3. I find it hard to believe that either Adam White or Brodine Kayla would be comfortable with any person--even a doctor--forcibly trying to do a procedure on your child without your consent, without first being provided education, specifically about the safety/risk of side effects. THAT was the point of this article. I know this office asks "how do you like to receive education"--is this to be compliant with JCAHO or to actually educate families?

      As my OB told my pediatrician--You are not going to convince an EDUCATED, COMMITTED (and INSURED) mother that you are a better advocate for her child than she is. When I hear "herd" i hear "follow blindly"--unfortunately that is how most people look at medicine. You don't have to be an MD to look at the ingredients in vaccines and feel like maybe asking some questions is being a responsible parent.

      It is unfortunate that this situation escalated in such an unprofessional manner--it is difficult to articulate yourself when you feel attacked and physically cornered. 14 shots??? 14 shots??? I can't think of any medication that you just double...triple... to get "caught up" all at once. Both a parent and a scientist should be hesitant--and ask "when you show me the evidence that these 14 vaccinations are safe for a 24 lb child, I will consider this procedure." This was clearly not a medical emergency.

      This "poor doc" should absolutely "get in trouble" for such unprofessional and unnecessarily aggressive behavior.

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    4. There is no law that you have to have a reason not to immunize, or that you have to tell random idiots on the internet what they want to hear or you can't tell your story.
      The law is on her side not to immunize her child. You have a right to your opinion about YOUR child, no one has the right to tell another parent that they have to immunize. No one has that right.
      If this had happened to me, those 2 doctors would have been arrested that day, because I would have called 911 on an attempted kidnapping.

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  38. Brodine: "But sure, send me your research. :-)"
    Great! I will do so right away! I don't want to jam up CrunchyOwlMama's comment section with what I have to share Far too much. So if you send me a contact email address I can send it to you that way if you'd like. You might be disappointed to see that not a stitch of it comes from Jenny McCarthy. :/

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  40. She said earlier in the comments she'd remembered the name wrong as she rushed to get out of there and corrected herself. It was a new doctor and she didn't know him so it was a simple mistake.

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  41. You do realize those ads were written by the Tobacco Industry and didn't have to have one word of truth in them, right? I would be willing to bet that ever "doctor" in that ad is really an actor.

    I'm sorry that your baby had to go through that ordeal and that doctor needs to be reported.

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    1. Traci- those ad were written by Ad Companies- just like today. And yes, they used real Dr.s and Yes, they knew ciggs were no good for you back then, only by the 1960s did they have to amend their wording on cigg packages and ads.

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  42. Practically speaking, sad but true, its vital to bring your spouse along to pediatric, obstetric and psychiatrist appointments. The MD would not have been so quick to discount your authority if you had a man with you. If you do not have a man in your life or it is impossible to bring your partner, its even more important to bring at least one, if not several witnesses to these types of appointments in particular. Its a very old tactic to surround patients, especially women, with several medical "authorities" in order to pressure them into procedures that they deem "necessary".

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    1. My husband brings me or at least hopes I'm always available during year exam appts for the children because some pediatricians try to push newly offered vaccinations onto our six children. I find being consistent and polite works well. Firm, consistent, repetetive, polite. We selectively vaccinate, on our schedule, not the pediatrician's.

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  43. This is an incredible story. And absolutely believable. I am so happy you were able to get out of there. We are about to pass a law in California which will make it more difficult to opt out of these shots. This bill's last hearing is tomorrow, Monday, August 6th, and as soon as it is passed, the Governor will sign it. One of our elected officials made no bone about the fact that this is just the first step to remove parents' rights in regard to their children's vaccinations. One of my grandson is hovering on the autism scale because of his previous shots.
    Whatever the reason for not accepting the shots, it goes against the herd mentality, and forcing conformity becomes the main goal. Hang in there. Do it your way, if at all possible.
    (P.S. My daughter self-weaned at 15 months, my son at 32 months! :) )

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    1. What's odd about the legislator's attention to removing parent's rights to choose.. follow their careers.. often after this type of push, they will go into the private sector and have a very lucrative job waiting for them.. Michael Mooore's SICKO movie pointed out several federal legislators that did just that.

      Anyone can be purchased.

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  44. This is outrageous. They truly are out of control. We are like you and I think there are many more that are too. We support nature. I would really like you to post this on http://thinkpinion.com/ or can we republish it? Thanks for sharing, we need more people to know what really goes on with Dr's bullying and intimidating people into poisoning their children!

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  45. Good for you for standing your ground. I hope you report those JERKS for attempted assault or whatever you can. Smart people read books and it only takes a course in physiology to know that VACCINES SUPPRESS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM! What are the doctors names? Let the whole world know who they are. If you were to inject your sons at home with 14 doses of mercury, they would take your kid away for child abuse.

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  46. Thank God you got out of there! Thankfully your little one won't remember this incident. I would strongly urge you contacting the Medical Board for Indiana as well as any hospital he has rights at.

    I am sorry this happened to you. I am so glad you got out of there safely. Hugs! and you are an amazing mother.

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  47. @ Brodine Kayla:

    1. Hepatitis B Vaccination of Male Neonates and Autism

    Annals of Epidemiology , Vol. 19, No. 9 ABSTRACTS (ACE), September 2009: 651-680, p. 659

    CM Gallagher, MS Goodman, Graduate Program in Public Health, Stony Brook University Medical Center, Stony Brook, NY

    PURPOSE: Universal newborn immunization with hepatitis B vaccine was recommended in 1991; however, safety findings are mixed. The Vaccine Safety Datalink Workgroup reported no association between hepatitis B vaccination at birth and febrile episodes or neurological adverse events. Other studies found positive associations between
    hepatitis B vaccination and ear infection, pharyngitis, and chronic arthritis; as well as receipt of early intervention/special education services (EIS); in probability samples of U.S. children. Children with autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) comprise a growing caseload for EIS. We evaluated the association between hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and parental report of ASD.

    METHODS: This cross-sectional study used U.S. probability samples obtained from National Health Interview Survey 1997-2002 datasets. Logistic regression modeling was used to estimate the effect of neonatal hepatitis B vaccination on ASD risk among boys age 3-17 years with shot records, adjusted for race, maternal education, and two-parent household.

    RESULTS: Boys who received the hepatitis B vaccine during the first month of life had 2.94 greater odds for ASD (nZ31 of 7,486; OR Z 2.94; p Z 0.03; 95% CI Z 1.10, 7.90)
    compared to later- or unvaccinated boys. Non-Hispanic white boys were 61% less likely to have ASD (ORZ0.39; pZ0.04; 95% CIZ0.16, 0.94) relative to non-white boys.

    CONCLUSION: Findings suggest that U.S. male neonates vaccinated with hepatitis B vaccine had a 3-fold greater risk of ASD; risk was greatest for non-white boys.

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    1. 2. Porphyrinuria in childhood autistic disorder: Implications for environmental toxicity


      Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology, 2006

      Robert Natafa, Corinne Skorupkab, Lorene Ametb, Alain Lama, Anthea Springbettc and Richard Lathed, aLaboratoire Philippe Auguste, Paris, France, Association ARIANE, Clichy, France, Department of Statistics, Roslin Institute, Roslin, UK, Pieta Research,

      This new study from France utilizes a new and sophisticated measurement for environmental toxicity by assessing porphyrin levels in autistic children. It provides clear and unequivocal evidence that children with autism spectrum disorders are more toxic than their neurotypical peers.

      Excerpt: "Coproporphyrin levels were elevated in children with autistic disorder relative to control groups...the elevation was significant. These data implicate environmental toxicity in childhood autistic disorder."

      Abstract: To address a possible environmental contribution to autism, we carried out a retrospective study on urinary porphyrin levels, a biomarker of environmental toxicity, in 269 children with neurodevelopmental and related disorders referred to a Paris clinic (2002–2004), including 106 with autistic disorder. Urinary porphyrin levels determined by high-performance liquid chromatography were compared between diagnostic groups including internal and external control groups. Coproporphyrin levels were elevated in children with autistic disorder relative to control groups. Elevation was maintained on normalization for age or to a control heme pathway metabolite (uroporphyrin) in the same samples. The elevation was significant (P < 0.001). Porphyrin levels were unchanged in Asperger's disorder, distinguishing it from autistic disorder. The atypical molecule precoproporphyrin, a specific indicator of heavy metal toxicity, was also elevated in autistic disorder (P < 0.001) but not significantly in Asperger's. A subgroup with autistic disorder was treated with oral dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA) with a view to heavy metal removal. Following DMSA there was a significant (P = 0.002) drop in urinary porphyrin excretion. These data implicate environmental toxicity in childhood autistic disorder.

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    2. 3. Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes—A review

      Journal of Immunotoxicology, January-March 2011, Vol. 8, No. 1 , Pages 68-79

      Helen V. Ratajczak, PhD

      Autism, a member of the pervasive developmental disorders (PDDs), has been increasing dramatically since its description by Leo Kanner in 1943. First estimated to occur in 4 to 5 per 10,000 children, the incidence of autism is now 1 per 110 in the United States, and 1 per 64 in the United Kingdom, with similar incidences throughout the world. Searching information from 1943 to the present in PubMed and Ovid Medline databases, this review summarizes results that correlate the timing of changes in incidence with environmental changes. Autism could result from more than one cause, with different manifestations in different individuals that share common symptoms. Documented causes of autism include genetic mutations and/or deletions, viral infections, and encephalitis following vaccination. Therefore, autism is the result of genetic defects and/or inflammation of the brain. The inflammation could be caused by a defective placenta, immature blood-brain barrier, the immune response of the mother to infection while pregnant, a premature birth, encephalitis in the child after birth, or a toxic environment.

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    3. 4. Uncoupling of ATP-mediated Calcium Signaling and Dysregulated IL-6 Secretion in Dendritic Cells by Nanomolar Thimerosal

      Environmental Health Perspectives, July 2006.

      Samuel R. Goth, Ruth A. Chu Jeffrey P. Gregg

      This study demonstrates that very low-levels of Thimerosal can contribute to immune system disregulation.

      Excerpt: "Our findings that DCs primarily express the RyR1 channel complex and that this complex is uncoupled by very low levels of THI with dysregulated IL-6 secretion raise intriguing questions about a molecular basis for immune dyregulation and the possible role of the RyR1 complex in genetic susceptibility of the immune system to mercury."

      Abstract
      Dendritic cells (DCs), a rare cell type widely distributed in the soma, are potent antigen presenting cells that initiate primary immune responses. DCs rely on intracellular redox state and calcium (Ca2+) signals for proper development and function, but the relationship between these two signaling systems is unclear. Thimerosal (THI) is a mercurial used to preserve vaccines, consumer products, and experimentally to induce Ca2+ release from microsomal stores. We tested ATP-mediated Ca2+ responses of DCs transiently exposed to nanomolar THI. Transcriptional and immunocytochemical analyses show murine myeloid immature and mature DC (IDCs, MDCs) express inositol 1, 4, 5-trisphosphate and ryanodine receptor (IP3R, RyR) Ca2+ channels, known targets of THI. IDCs express the RyR1 isoform in a punctate distribution that is densest near plasma membranes and within dendritic processes whereas IP3Rs are more generally distributed. RyR1 positively and negatively regulates purinergic signaling since ryanodine (Ry) blockade (1) recruited 80 percent more ATP responders, (2) shortened ATP-mediated Ca2+ transients >2-fold, (3) and produced a delayed and persistent rise (≥2-fold) in baseline Ca2+. THI (100nM, 5min) recruited more ATP responders, shortened the ATP-mediated Ca2+ transient (≥1.4-fold) and produced a delayed rise (≥3-fold) in the Ca2+ baseline, mimicking Ry. THI and Ry, in combination, produced additive effects leading to uncoupling of IP3R and RyR1 signals. THI altered ATP-mediated IL-6 secretion, initially enhancing the rate of but suppressing overall cytokine secretion in DCs. DCs are exquisitely sensitive to THI, with one mechanism involving the uncoupling of positive and negative regulation of Ca2+signals contributed by RyR1.

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    4. Gender-selective toxicity of thimerosal.

      Exp Toxicol Pathol. 2009 Mar;61(2):133-6. Epub 2008 Sep 3.

      Branch DR, Departments of Medicine and Laboratory Medicine and Pathobiology, University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

      Abstract
      A recent report shows a correlation of the historical use of thimerosal in therapeutic immunizations with the subsequent development of autism; however, this association remains controversial. Autism occurs approximately four times more frequently in males compared to females; thus, studies of thimerosal toxicity should take into consideration gender-selective effects. The present study was originally undertaken to determine the maximum tolerated dose (MTD) of thimersosal in male and female CD1 mice. However, during the limited MTD studies, it became apparent that thimerosal has a differential MTD that depends on whether the mouse is male or female. At doses of 38.4-76.8mg/kg using 10% DMSO as diluent, seven of seven male mice compared to zero of seven female mice tested succumbed to thimerosal. Although the thimerosal levels used were very high, as we were originally only trying to determine MTD, it was completely unexpected to observe a difference of the MTD between male and female mice. Thus, our studies, although not directly addressing the controversy surrounding thimerosal and autism, and still preliminary due to small numbers of mice examined, provide, nevertheless, the first report of gender-selective toxicity of thimerosal and indicate that any future studies of thimerosal toxicity should take into consideration gender-specific differences.

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    5. 6. Comparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant Monkeys Exposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines Containing Thimerosal

      Environmental Health Perspectives, Aug 2005.

      Thomas Burbacher, PhD [University of Washington].

      This study demonstrates clearly and unequivocally that ethyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in vaccines, not only ends up in the brain, but leaves double the amount of inorganic mercury as methyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in fish. This work is groundbreaking because little is known about ethyl mercury, and many health authorities have asserted that the mercury found in vaccines is the "safe kind." This study also delivers a strong rebuke of the Institute of Medicine's recommendation in 2004 to no longer pursue the mercury-autism connection.

      Excerpt: "A recently published IOM review (IOM 2004) appears to have abandoned the earlier recommendation [of studying mercury and autism] as well as back away from the American Academy of Pediatrics goal [of removing mercury from vaccines]. This approach is difficult to understand, given our current limited knowledge of the toxicokinetics and developmental neurotoxicity of thimerosal, a compound that has been (and will continue to be) injected in millions of newborns and infants."

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  48. I found this in my email tonight and think you might like to read this item:
    http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/06/pigs-birds-and-seals-the-next-great-pandemic/?eiid=

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  49. He should lose his license for the way he treated you and your son! How horrific. So many doctors think they have the right to push their agenda on you simply because they have an MD at the end of their name. Just so wrong.

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  50. Thank you for sharing your story. I have been posting it on my INBICV Facebook page to try to get people to WAKE UP!

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Im-not-bitching-its-called-venting/232656533442766?ref=hl

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  51. This is why I'm afraid to take my two children (2 and 4) to the dr. They each went for their initial pediatric visit and haven't been back since. The first dr. we went to as new parents of a week old baby the only thing he wanted to talk about was vaccines and when he found out we weren't sure we wanted to go that route basically asked us not to be wasting his time and to get out of his office if we wanted to kill our baby he didn't want to be involved. ?!?!?! Thanks, Doc. I really needed that as a hormonal, sleep deprived, first time parent.

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  52. Just for background info, I am a nurse and have worked with women, children, and infants for a number of years. I have also chosen to vaccinate.

    My experiences have led to me to know that doctors do not know everything. Science is often wrong and changes as new information comes in. I have seen many misdiagnoses, wrong medications given, and much pomp and pride. For this reason, I would never advocate to force anyone to make any specific medical decision. Here is a list of medical actions that were once used my medicine that seemed reasonable at the time: alcohol through an IV during childbirth, medications that would render women unable to control themselves and then forget what happened to them, medications were given to pregnant women that would later cause brain damage in their children, surgeries done that stunted children's growth and at the time were deemed cutting edge. These things all happened within the last 20-30 years.

    We may look at our time and say that we know so much more and understand so much better that we have the right to force people to make certain decisions. But I can guarantee you, that in 20 years from now, there will be many things we do that will be looked back on as wrong and even harmful.

    Until we are all perfect in our nature and science, I would NEVER advocate the use of force or coercion to make people have certain medical procedures. If you feel that someone is making a wrong decision, you help them by carrying on a conversation of mutual respect, no arrogance and force.

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  53. I HATE it when I say we don't VAX and someone instantly responds About how vaccines don't cause autism. That is NOT why I made my choice!

    I agree with all the comments about reporting this jerk. I would even go to the police about attempted kid napping, since he tried to take your son out of your arms.

    What a terrible thing to go through. I'm so impressed that you stood your ground! You are so brave!

    Sending lots of hugs

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  54. We refused a tetanus vaccine and the pediatrician, hospital staff, and hospital security, and a deputy Sheriff forced our two year old to be vaccinated, taken by CPS, injured while in CPS custody, son was returned a day later, force to undergo "immunization" class. Now suing many of the guilty parties in federal court:
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/195587120/42-U-S-C-%C2%A7-1983-Deprivation-of-Rights-DOCTORS-HOSPITAL-of-AUGUSTA-LLC-et-alia

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